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Embracing Wicked: Themes, Power, and Courage
What if the stories we cherish could reshape our understanding of reality? Join me, Christi Chanelle, as I sit down with my daughter, Hannah Marie, to unravel the powerful themes and dazzling visuals of the Wicked movie. Together, we recount the emotional rollercoaster of the film, especially in scenes involving animals, and dissect how it challenges our perceptions and influences storytelling. By drawing connections between the narrative of Wicked and modern media portrayals, we underscore the importance of seeing the world through diverse lenses and appreciating how aesthetics challenge societal norms.
We then shift gears to explore the intriguing dynamics of power and control, inspired by Glenda from 'The Wizard of Oz' and figures like JD Vance. Our conversation illuminates how individuals often grow desensitized to alarming events, allowing those in power to manipulate narratives. A personal story about spotting Easter eggs in the film leads us to a spirited discussion on character development and its broader societal implications. Here, we reflect on the often-overlooked pressures of choosing between conformity and standing up for what is right.
In our final thoughts, the importance of friendship and authenticity shines through as we celebrate the beauty of having someone to lean on. Drawing from the empowering anthem 'Defying Gravity', we talk about embracing one's voice amid the noise of critics, particularly in podcasting and social media. As we wind down, the symbolism of courage through an Oracle card becomes a poignant reminder of personal growth and staying true to oneself, echoing the journey of the Cowardly Lion. With heartfelt encouragement, we invite you to embark on your courageous path, warmed by the strength of an open heart.
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Speaker 1:Perfection. That's it. That's what I was looking for. God, I love you. So did you like the Wicked movie? I'm your host, Christy Chanel, and this is the Love you Miss you Bye podcast. Welcome to Love you Miss you Bye. Today I have on my daughter, Hannah Marie. We're going to talk about Wicked, which we saw a few days ago. I'm in green. Elphaba is my role model, that's who I want to be, and my daughter is in pink to represent Glenda. So I know that you are an avid musical lover, as am I.
Speaker 1:My first musical that I ever saw was, I think I was like 10 or 12. And my mom and stepdad took me to see 42nd Street in New York, which is no longer running, but it was. My eyes were stars. I was just so engulfed in these beautiful dancers and you know just everything I wanted to be, and I was in dancing since I was five years old, so dancing has always been small Christy's dream. So of course I love seeing musicals.
Speaker 1:Now, it doesn't have the same effect as seeing a musical in person in New York, you know, on Broadway, Like I don't think anything in this whole world compares to that. I never really felt like a fandom for any kind of musical, that wasn't live. The only time that that happened to me, when I was five and my mom took me to see Grease in the movie theater Obsessed, I was obsessed from the minute I saw it and I'm still obsessed. I like Grease 1 and Grease 2. And I think I showed you Grease and you loved it.
Speaker 1:So Wicked came on to the scene recently. I've heard of Wicked just in passing that it was a musical on Broadway. I never knew the storyline until we saw it and I did that on purpose. I'm like it's coming out, I don't want to know anything about it, and I think you did something similar where not on purpose, but you just didn't know much about it. Am I right? Mm-hmm, yeah, so us going and then we brought Trevor, who knew absolutely nothing, to see the musical or to see the movie. I know for me there was, I don't know, at least three times that I was just welling up with tears. What?
Speaker 2:what about you? Yeah, I think I don't want to spoil anything. It's just the moment with the animals in the movie, like every time they were on screen, I just felt like I want to help them, I want to save them. You know, like it just hurt my heart. I was like, oh, this is awful, Like why does it matter? Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, yeah, do you think? So you definitely had highs and lows of emotion when you were watching it yeah.
Speaker 1:Now you've. That's another movie that you drilled into me on. Yeah, okay, so the wizard of oz gives you this connotation that the wicked witch of the west is wicked, which hence the title of the movie, but you think really that she's a bad guy. They paint her out to be this villain and when you watch this movie it just shows you that perception is reality in the world. You know it's like whatever people present to you and put in front of you and spin like media will paint the picture that they're wanting to present to you, because the real underneath could be quite different than what we're seeing.
Speaker 1:And also, I know this isn't your category, but I did want to make the comparison for the people that listen. For me, media is very, very similar to that, because you watch NBC News, you watch Fox News, you watch all these other news stations and you watch the way they want to tell you the story and it may not be exactly what the truth is, because you know just in life, in social settings, you usually hear when there's an argument between two, like siblings. There's an argument, one person has one story, one person has another story and you'll find that the story is actually somewhere in the middle. It's not really either side. They're going to paint it in the way that they saw it, which is very, very different. So I was able to make that comparison in watching this movie of the way the Wizard of Oz painted the Wicked Witch of the East and West. What was your favorite thing about it?
Speaker 2:For one, I'm really like an aesthetically driven person, so it's like I notice, like all the little details. Okay, I feel that over here, like her has her hair in a braid, or she, like, I noticed the different hairstyles that she would do. Like I didn't think like, even though they were trying to like have her, like you know everyone's, like, oh, she's green. I looked at her and I was like she looks fine. Like you know her, she looks great. Like she took pride in her appearance too, even if she wasn't green.
Speaker 1:You know everybody's beautiful in their own way. Sometimes people don't realize the way they treat people. Sometimes they don't. They may say you know, you, even if, or you don't look bad for your age, or just simple, simple statements that could be very, very positive to them actually affects the person they're saying it, saying it to very, very differently than what it's intended In this scene, in most of these scenes, it's bullying. It's outright bullying. You know, for being different, which also you can compare to the society we live in. It happens everywhere, from kindergartner to you know, the president either way. But I think I think watching it through the eyes of Elphaba maybe soften your heart a little bit before you say things like that to people about how it really does affect them. I know for me when somebody says you look really good for your age. Age should not factor into whether I look good or whether I don't look good.
Speaker 2:I thought about this one thing that I learned. You know how there was like, uh, they painted rooms a specific color. I forgot what the name was. It was pink and it was like you know I'm talking about, was it? I don't remember the exact name. You look at it and you don't think that you're feeling a certain way. You just think, oh, this is so nice and calming, but it's like maybe they might put some stuff in there to make your brain be like why do I feel anxious? Why do I feel scared? You know, do I feel scared?
Speaker 1:You know different like different moods, to draw out different emotions, which is absolutely planned. I mean, that's part of being cinematic, and but also you bring up a very valid point, because that's what marketing does. Also, when I was building my logo and my brand for Simply Vibin, I had to look at all the different colors that I wanted to evoke in people. Even though my favorite color is red, which I actually used in that logo, I didn't know if I wanted to put red in Christy Chanel, which I haven't done yet, and if you are a local logo maker, I'm taking applications because I need one, but I don't know if red. It stands for power and it stands for passion, and that's me and that's my favorite color. But maybe I want to evoke calming, so maybe I should use a blue, and that's what different logos do out there right now. So pay attention to those colors, colors. What are they trying to say to you through those colors?
Speaker 2:great point, very valid so that's why they put, that's why they put her as green, because it's like she's green, she's a witch, you know. So like they have green in there in that universe. But it's weird because it's like she's green. But then they have emerald city and it's like emerald city's green. And emerald city is like everybody wants to go to emerald city. It's like, look, everybody wants to go to Emerald City. It's like, ooh, look, everybody wants to go to Emerald City. But it's like then she's over here, she's also green and she's seen as a bad person, like, oh, you're a witch, you're bad. But then Emerald City, it's weird because it's like it's green too. So it's like I guess it's not all just negative.
Speaker 1:They just like to be. Well, now hold on. While we're doing this, I'm going to look something up. Green color. The color green can evoke a variety of emotions, including balance and serenity, peace and calm, growth and renewal, hope, confidence, high energy and creativity, wisdom, which is the Wizard of Oz, and experience and spiritual awareness. The color green is also associated with joy, inner peace, independence which would be Elphaba money, luck, health and envy.
Speaker 2:What if it's money?
Speaker 1:What if the Emerald City is supposed to be like capitalism and you're spot on, because we're in this really toxic environment right now, trying to figure out who your neighbor is, who your family member is, and and so people are looking over their shoulder. In times like this, I think it's, you know, calming down and you know, which is a good thing, because we need unity and not divide. But I couldn't help making the comparisons between what's happening now with Trump. Now I will tell you, somebody jumped into one of my comments on TikTok and says although I didn't vote for Trump, I know that this movie had nothing to do with him because it was written in blah blah blah, whatever year it was, which was well before Trump came into power. And I said I get what you're saying, but you have to look past the fact of current and look in past, and you know that's how you learn from history and all the things that happened in other countries and things like that.
Speaker 2:Let me see what was happening. Was it about 1939?
Speaker 1:Wizard of Oz did the Wicked, didn't it?
Speaker 2:was. I'm just want to make a point, like what was happening in the political world in 1939. Yeah, 1939.
Speaker 1:World War II. Okay, there you go. It surprised me, hannah, because I'm like that's like you gotta think beyond that. There's a point. There's a point here. It's Germany and ironically, a lot of people make the comparisons between the dictatorship.
Speaker 2:Well, it doesn't have to be one dictator. There's many throughout history. It doesn't have to zero in on one, like there's just multiple dictators. That's the point is that you can go from, you can or can make somebody very dangerous. That's the whole point. Even if they're a fraud, even if they don't know what they're talking about, they can paint an image of power, and that's when you need to be like whoa, why are you so horrible? You know like that's dangerous. So it's like that's what it's. Painting a picture is that he was a dictator.
Speaker 1:People thought he had powers in the Wizard of Oz and when they pulled the curtain back, literally they saw a little man behind a big, big fake face.
Speaker 2:That told everybody the laws and the rules, and he hid.
Speaker 1:He hid behind all these powerful things.
Speaker 2:Think about it he had power, but he didn't have power. He didn't have power. He had power, but he didn't actually have power. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who gave him the power, hannah?
Speaker 2:Himself and the people, hannah Himself and the people and the people. Because they believed him blindly. And once you start to idolize somebody in your head, that's when they become powerful.
Speaker 1:Exactly, you know, you hear about all these cult leaders and stuff you know throughout history, like the Waco and all of this stuff, and they're only only they're called false prophets. Yeah, they come out there and they say I'm godly and I'm speaking directly to God and this is what I'm going to give you. If you follow me blindly and you know there's girls and they're like well, he's godly, you know he's. They end up with like 30 women that they can just go, you know, do whatever they want with. And I don't want to say it's for the weak-minded, because it's not necessarily for the weak-minded. Sometimes you're raised in that type of environment that you don't know anything else?
Speaker 1:Go for the power. Yeah, you don't know anything. I'm talking about the people that follow cult leaders. They don't know any better. They're raised in an environment where that's what they've learned, because their mother fell victim to it, you know, and it's this awful pattern. But the point is they wouldn't have this power without the people. I think that's the most important thing here. So I know people may be worried about the current environment that we're in, but we, the people, control how much power they get and what. Whatever we close our eyes to and turn around and keep walking away from, is what will happen.
Speaker 1:Because one of the big things in history, hannah, is they. You know, you look and see how places like germany and other places have fell victim to what happened later and they say the very beginning stages are the most important parts, because when people go, well, it's happened, there's nothing I can do and then they just abide by whatever they want. That's when they start to get power. So these things that are happening, where these shocking things, you know we're like oh my God, trump said you know he did this, or he said that. Or cat ladies, single cat ladies, you know we're not having enough babies.
Speaker 1:There's all the different things that have been said. At first it's shocking there, and then everybody's like it is what it is Like with aliens. They were saying aliens are in the ocean, aliens are here, and everybody's like, yeah, and. And then they keep moving on because we're now becoming numb to the things that should offend us and should bother us. And that's what they're doing on purpose, so that when they really are able to do their true agenda, it won't be shocking and we'll be like it's another day in the USA. So you know what I mean. Yeah, so that's some of the things that I've learned. But as far as Emerald City or Glenda since you're in pink today for Glenda what did you feel about her role? In lot smarter than she lets on. You know like you look at her and you.
Speaker 2:She pretends because she wants to fit in and she doesn't want to be judged. She wants everybody to love her. I feel like if she does that in her head, maybe she thinks she'll build herself in a place in society. That's how she. I feel like she's a lot smarter than she. Left on like she's acting well, my thought process.
Speaker 1:If we're just doing the political comparison, she and it hit me as you were talking it honestly just now it hit me. I compare her to JD Vance, who is going to be our president, our vice president of the United States, because from my understanding of the research that I've done and through articles, I see that he was groomed to be this position by the writers of 2025, project 2025. And they were able to get in with Trump present their boy, and now he's sitting there. Now. Glenda, and how I compare the two Glenda was rich and she was popular and everyone loved her, and so she got on Elphaba's coattails and they rode all the way to the Emerald City.
Speaker 1:But she doesn't quite have the same powers as Elphaba, the independent, strong-willed, wants-to-help-people person, and she's kind of weak-minded and is easily swayed. Glenda Galenda, before she turns into Glenda and then has a choice to make Do I want to go and fight and know the road is going to be hard, or do I want to stay here where I can use the powers that be behind me to do what I want to do? That's the easier route, the comfortable route.
Speaker 1:Yeah's the easier route, the comfortable route, yeah, the comfortable route. And we don't know because part two hasn't come out yet, but because she chooses not to go with Elphaba and stay with the wizard and they're hugging her and that whole thing. At the end it leads you to believe that they create what is Glinda in the Wizard of Oz. And I'm going back and forth because, like I said, I don't know I haven't read the book yet If those powers are truly powers or mechanical powers, so that it appears just like in real life that she has powers when she truly doesn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe not. Maybe she doesn't't, because I've noticed a little another spoiler that in the beginning of the movie, when she's in the little bubble, she doesn't like you don't see her, you're like bubble.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying you don't see the bubble, you don't see your way rewind, okay.
Speaker 2:But she puts her, she presses her foot down and then the bubble like like she's putting it on a button on her foot and the bubble appears. So it's like, okay, Did we ever see her like do anything with her powers? I haven't yet. I mean maybe in part two, I don't know. But I'm saying for now I haven't seen anything. So he could have limited powers or nothing at all. We don't know.
Speaker 1:Right, you know, what was really cool is after the movie. We were all in the car and, first of all, my 16-year-old son loved it. Not expected. I thought he'd like it, but I didn't think he would love it. He loved it, which tells you a lot. It's for everybody that watches the movie. But what was really cool is afterwards. We're in the car and we start thinking about, well, who's this going to be and who's that going to be in the Wizard of Oz, and how does this happen? There's a lot of Easter eggs that you know the Taylor Swift theory where they're like hmm, did you see the Easter egg over here? Do you think that connects to over here? And how does this? And so you were telling it. You were looking it up as I was driving. You were like, oh my God, ok, so the slippers, they're silver and da, da, da, da da. But there were things where you're like we wanted to know who the Tin man is and the Scarecrow is.
Speaker 2:And you have to's in the lyrics. If you listen to dancing through life really listen to it and look at the lyrics, you'll be able to figure out exactly who he's gonna be okay.
Speaker 1:So that's where you guys can go if you want to hear what happens in part two. Now the book I have it on audible. I haven't listened to it yet. It is named wicked and there is, I believe, four books in the series. I could be wrong, it could be five. Spoiler You're getting that for Christmas, do you want it? I want the actual book, I don't want the audio. No, no, no, of course, hannah, you're a reader. The book Wicked, I hear it is very dark and very. I'm gonna read.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get into it, provocative at times. I mean my daughter's 22, but I would not recommend this series for anyone that is under 18. It's because I've only listened, like you know. You guys know that listen to me that I only listen to Audible books because I usually do it while I'm driving. I started to listen to I was getting ready yesterday no, it was the day before yesterday because it was just me and Trevor that was about to get in the car and I was like, oh, I'll just play it in the car because Trevor might be interested. And it literally was. It was just very dirty right in the very beginning.
Speaker 1:And I'm like I am not listening to this with my 16 year old son. There is no freaking way.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:So I just yeah, I want to put. I want to put that out there. So, anything they say, you know any of the spoiler clips? They're like, yeah, be prepared, because anything you can possibly think of that, and then times that by a hundred, I'm like okay, all right, I will let you know all the non the details.
Speaker 2:I'll let you know.
Speaker 1:The details are not crazy, yeah, and I think that when we both finished wicked the book, um, maybe even the series we come back and we do a book review on wicked and we talk about it, um, because I think it's good, and then we can do some comparisons to how it compares to the movie and what's missing. I told you that I was going to do the review for the share book, yeah, and then wicked, wicked happened and uh, he's obsessed and that's how we ended up at wicked.
Speaker 1:Honestly, because it was all me saying let's go see Wicked.
Speaker 2:It sounds like we should go to Barnes and Nobles and get Wicked like you should just buy it so I can read it now. Who needs Christmas? Just kidding.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, I mean honestly, that's cool. Yeah, it warms my heart that she is a reader. You know that, even in the digital age and as much as we are online and on social media, my daughter would so appreciate a good book and just sit in the corner and read and I, yeah, I think, prefer having like a physical.
Speaker 2:I don't like like I read something. I I'm not saying I've never like read a book on my phone. I do when I can't like buy, like go out and buy the book, so I do on my phone, but it's like I still, if, uh, it came down to it, I would still prefer to actually have it and sit there and like just be able to read it. You know, there's nothing like it. It's better, I feel like it's so. It's such a better experience to be able to sit here and read it, like with your eyes, and just because and then I actually't explain it, no, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1:I wish I was a reader. I think I just don't have. I don't know, I can't. I can't sit there long enough, I can't. It's hard for me to even hit listen on audible unless I am in the car. Like you know, I I just I'm too busy like give me the cliff notes. You know what I mean? Give me the cliff notes. Did you see any of the clips on tiktok that were ariana grande and cynthia arrivos?
Speaker 2:yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot. It's like all over my preview page people are reposting okay.
Speaker 1:Do you have an opinion on the way that they're?
Speaker 2:they're acting in their interviews, I feel like people are pointing out the fact they're very emotional and every time, but it might be because they've enjoyed what they've done, you know, and there's, there's just a lot. But I feel like um ariana, because she's been wanting this for so long. It's like an emotional thing for her, like, oh my gosh, I finally got to be my dream role, you know. So it's like always. Cynthia said she always needs to hold her hand when she's emotional and I think that's really sweet, that she just loves her and they're like there with each other in the moment. I think there's nothing better than that. I think it's cute.
Speaker 1:I love it I saw that too, where she was explaining she's like, whenever ariana is gets emotional, she, she needs contact, she needs physical contact, yeah, and so they showed different clips where she would reach out her hand because she just it's her anxiety she needs, she needs to to to feel comfort, you know, and in the moment as well yeah yeah, a comfort friend.
Speaker 1:She's a comfort friend and I find there's such sweetness in that. And for people to come online and say anything but that is a fantastic thing to find in the world really is just a hater of people.
Speaker 1:I, I can't understand something right yes, yeah if you just go so because me, I go into the comments because I want to see what people feel about it, like what's the general consensus of the audience when they're seeing it? And you will see people say that where they're like I actually saw a video that where somebody's like are you like me? She's like. I have to say, I have to say are you like me? Do you get uncomfortable with all the crying and the emotional stuff and the handholding? She's like it's just icky, like what, what is going on? You know and I'm like, how are you feeling on the inside that this should affect you like that, that you need to come out and make a video about somebody else's human experience. That seems to be really wonderful.
Speaker 1:I don't know, maybe also because I know that you have a little anxiety at times and maybe Ariana reminded me of you in those where I would want that for you. I would want you to have that. If I'm not there to give you that comfort, I would want a friend that cares about you enough to put up their hand and say we got this and I think there's something really beautiful about that. So it pisses me off. It's like that doesn't make you weak to have anxiety. It's a superpower to realize this is what you need to get through it. It's also a very good empowerment movie where you actually walk away thinking you can do it too If you feel the need to branch out and or just not to be a sheep in the world. Like don't be a sheep, be powerful, be, use your voice, use your stance. Don't ever shrink into the background and and feel that you have no power, because you do have power. And I would like to ask my daughter if you would send us out with a little bit of the song.
Speaker 2:I think, just real quick, your favorite song has been Defying Gravity. You need to talk about how it makes you feel. Go on.
Speaker 1:Okay, before I sing, all right, all right, okay, you're right, you're right. I didn't even get into that. I felt instant emotion, like there's a chorus part that I listened to and it's like something happens in my soul where it's just it makes me well up and I just I'm like powerful, it just gives me that. You know, I feel like part of me uses my voice, like my platform is, is my voice, about what I'm feeling. It may resonate with some, but it doesn't matter, because it's my voice and the right people will surround themselves with me and together we can make our voices heard. And I'm here about I'm the underdog. I am the underdog, it's right.
Speaker 1:I'm the underdog in podcasting. I'm the underdog in social media, but I don't care, and actually that could be a superpower in itself, because I don't need to be the top rated for people to hear me and maybe they can think about something that's happening in their life and know that they're not alone. Then I'm a success. So I hope that's happened so far, but I have a feeling no, I know this will go further. You just got to take the steps to do it. And same with my daughter as soon as she aligns with what her calling is which happens around this age. Her superpower will be her voice. It's always good. No pressure, I don't have to pressure you. You're my daughter, it's there. She's pressuring you Help? No, I'm not, not just like. The power has always been in you, dorothy, click your heels together. Okay, click your heels together. You always had the power to go home so do you, hannah?
Speaker 1:click your heels together and soar. You know what we need. We need that. I have to embarrass you.
Speaker 2:You do a good job. I thank you. We need one of those cards that we had last time, because we read them last time when I was on here. Oh, you're talking about the oracle card. Yeah, let's send it out with one of those okay do you have them? Do you have them? I do? You already know the comments. Oh, you guys are one of those.
Speaker 1:Some would say, oracle cards are witches, but or it's the universe and it's just giving you it. I call them focus cards. You know everybody needs to find their focus in life and if this helps, you just pick one that you should be focusing on.
Speaker 2:How is that I have loved ones.
Speaker 1:Our focus card Courage. The warmth of your open heart can give comfort to all who cross your path. Courage comes from the heart. It is an inner strength guided by love which seeks truth and justice. When you have the courage to be true to yourself, you start to feel empowered to act and live in ways true to your own soul, without any illusion. Glenda, Begin to have more respect for yourself as well as for others. Beware of making harsh judgments about yourself and others. When you come from the heart, you will find that you relate better to others. Your innate gifts will be able to shine through. You are capable of leadership, leadership achievement and inspiring others to succeed through their own success. When you draw this card, it is a sign that your ability to cooperate and thrive in peer ventures with like-minded individuals is heightening. Be willing to do what is needed for things to run smoothly for you. Your own inner lion invites you to work with him.
Speaker 2:Inner lion like the lion from Wicked and Wizard of Oz, be courageous. He was looking for courage. Oh my god, the cowardly lion. Yeah, he was looking for his courage.
Speaker 1:Okay, this was so weird and so fitting. Wow, that was good. Okay, then Look, it's just an Oracle card a focus card, but the theme is to find your courage. Sing me a little Defying Gravity. Please Sing the audience out.
Speaker 2:It's time to try Defying Gravity Love you Miss you, you bye, that'll work.
Speaker 1:End scene.
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